as helpful this conversation might have been, it's a by far to extensive
and off-topic issue to discuss it here on the ZF mailing list.
Beside that, we are talking about domain modelling and not a specific
framework issue. Because it isn't a ZF problem but an architectural and
design philosophy. Even without MVC it matters.
All this goes far beyond this mailing list.
If you are new to DDD then you will soon discover that almost all
discussions and blogs are from the Java/NET world. Who wonders, because
PHP lacks many of the technical aspects covered there, like AOP, DI,
Hibernate etc.
But nevertheless it's a sophisticated approach to complex software
design. And even if the language is limiting you, go the way! In summary
DDD is nothing new, not a new technology, no new discoveries or
patterns. But a new way of summarizing up the ways of thinking how to
produce a cohesive, understandable, subtle, dependancy-less, changeable
and simply *good* software.
Nobody says you *will* do a better software. But if you not start
thinking what's really important to your software *how* you could ever
write a good one?
Perhaps someone wants to open a mailinglist or blog on PHP-DDD?
I would appreciate it...
Last words:
Personally I feel things like Zend_Model are very dangerous.
It is too focused on the old objects/database/persistance/orm dogma of
most php-oop programmers.
All the stuff a real domain model should not care about (too much).
People are spending by far too much time on such things. But these are
all *mechanical* and technical problems, actually not the problems of
your work of developing software that solves problems.
You should invest time on finding out the real problems and solutions to
your software, this is a big job. And not additionally wasting time with
technology (like developing the 15th ORM approach...) too much.
....my $0.02
Cheers,
Nino
Christopher Östlund schrieb:
>
> Anyway...I really appreciate the continued discussion here...we almost
> ought to turn this into a tutorial, as it's probably the most helpful
> conversation I've ever had about domain logic. Even the philosophical
> parts...turns out I actually have a philosophy degree, so that's right
> up my alley :)
>
>
> Did this conversation ever end up as a tutorial? :)
>
> I'm getting the DDD book in the mail any day now, but this has been an
> interesting read. Any further progress?
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