Re: [fw-mvc] S3 and Zend framework : sleeping code in the incubator !

I disagree that the forgotten proposals are any fault of the Zend team whatsoever, other than, perhaps, their ability to review them in a timely manner, which is a result of being a small team that's really overworked.

However, I do think it should be highly encouraged that proposals have two or more people working on them once coding begins.  I know the only proposal I was ever able to bring to fruition (Zend_Paginator) happened solely because Jurrien and I worked together at the suggestion of Darby (formerly of Zend).  I have several proposals I haven't finished, in part, because it's just been me working on them.

Also keep in mind that not just anyone can "walk in off the street" and contribute in a meaningful way to a proposal or a component.

-Matt

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Zladivliba Voskuy <nospampam@hotmail.fr> wrote:

> Again, the proposal process is clear: when the *AUTHOR* of a proposal
> feels it's ready for approval, it is the *AUTHOR*'s responsibility to
> mark it as ready for recommendation.
>
> Please be aware that the team at Zend is very small, and part of the
> reason that the proposal process exists, and exists in its current
> incarnation, is so that we can manage our time well. We simply cannot
> track all proposals adequately; many of the proposals languish in an
> incomplete state for months or years, and it would be a waste of our
> time to review them until the author has indicated that it's ready.

I understand this issue and I'm not blaming anyone for not having enough ressources to do more.
What I'm proposing is a solution that could help to go a little further : that would be simply to promote unfinished work so someone out there can take responsability for it and finish the job that was started by someone someday.

The fact that an *AUTHOR*, as you point it out, carries the responsability for the entire process, doesn't seems to me to be such a good thing after all, since, again as you point it out, you have projects that are lying for month or years in the incubator.
Now a better thing might be to put the responsability of a project more on the community then on one guy how might have time to carry on the first steps of a new piece of software but not the latest. That way, not the author only, but anyone could finish it.

Now for the S3 module, someone here is about to post a third version of if, with non of the previous version getting out in the framework. Now you can tell me whaterver you want, I'm just saying that this is a project management problem that would need to be taken care of.

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